{"id":3121,"date":"2022-01-28T09:00:37","date_gmt":"2022-01-28T14:00:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/?p=3121"},"modified":"2022-01-27T20:43:44","modified_gmt":"2022-01-28T01:43:44","slug":"the-intersection-of-planning-and-poetry-s2c-e44","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/?p=3121","title":{"rendered":"The Intersection of Planning and Poetry (S2C E44)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\">Sometimes we chat with people that we think will be interesting, but we really don\u2019t know what the outcome will be. It\u2019s a total crap shoot.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-3122 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron-300x165.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"165\" srcset=\"https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron-300x165.jpg 300w, https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron-768x423.jpg 768w, https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron-1024x564.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/2bgreener.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Thumb-Ron.jpg 1212w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>We absolutely rolled a seven on this one-roll bet with Ron Deverman, engineer, farmer, poet, and whole human. What a wonderful, fulfilling, and inspiring interview. A renaissance man, in my opinion, who has created an exceptional life by playing within and between art and science, and nature and design. All the while focusing on communication, collaboration, and joy in the moments at hand.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Spend this time with us and with Ron. You won\u2019t regret it. Soft-spoken, clear, and inspiring, he tells us of his work throughout the USA in supporting community through transit and transportation engineering. He also reads for us his own crafted words in poetry, and pay homage to the compelling words of the poet Mary Oliver, his hero, as he shares quotes from her inspiring work.<\/p>\n<p>And please, check out <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCoLrmdksGl9RTvAyYs6hqjQ\">our YouTube channel.<\/a>\u00a0We&#8217;ve had so many exceptional conversations, each a gem in its own right.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t forget to share your comments with us, and to subscribe! Your interactions, or even a thumbs up, will help us gain some traction and share what we are learning in each and every kitchen table chat: sustainability informs all good work, and every worthwhile effort we learn about helps us to understand sustainability even more.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for watching!<\/p>\n<p>Jodi and Lauren<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes we chat with people that we think will be interesting, but we really don\u2019t know what the outcome will be. 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